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Giant's Reign Advanced 27.5 0 Team is a long-travel machine that scales the ugliest climbs and dismantles the longest descents. An Advanced-grade composite frame with ALUXX SL aluminum rear triangle is complemented by Giant's renowned Maestro rear end with 6.3-inches of RockShox Monarch Plus DebonAir RC3 travel. A beefy BB92 bottom bracket shell and OverDrive tapered head tube means optimal power transfer and pinpoint tracking when slashing the dirt. The down tube protector, neoprene chainstay guard and DT Swiss 142x12mm DT Swiss thru-axle are the perfect finishing touches for this enduro, all-mountain, backcountry mountain slayer.
On Giant's Anthem X Advanced 29er, you're a recurring character in your competitors' nightmares. This ludicrously light Advanced-Grade Composite frame makes even the steepest grades easy. And, after you crest the summit, Maestro suspension and a RockShox shock take over to dissolve trail obstacles and maximize shredding. Build it up with a 100mm fork and you've got the perfect set up to rule marathons, all-day epics, XC races and fast trail rides. It's not just race-day only, it's more than capable on steep descents and gnarly sections. Both the tapered head tube and the big BB92 bottom bracket contribute to frame stiffness, straight tracking and efficiency. It's every XC rider's dream: speed and maneuverability with 29er control and smoothness.
From world cup podiums to your local DH run. Give yourself the factory pro treatment with this lean, mean DH machine. This killer composite frameset has been developed and perfected over the years in an uncompromising quest to give Giant pros the fastest DH bike in the world. The latest version of the Glory Advanced breaks new ground in stiffness, weight and all-around performance. It features 200mm of fully active Maestro rear suspension on a superlight, stiff and strong composite mainframe. The frame geometry, engineered to optimize its 27.5 wheels, has helped deliver pros like Marcelo Gutierrez to World Cup podiums on the world’s toughest courses. It’s the lightest composite DH frame ever produced by Giant, and it’s hungry to win.
You can get the same frame that you see McCaul, Semenuk, Rheeder, all those C3 guys win on! Trek's Ticket S is the 100mm-travel slopestyle bike that's dominated Crankworx, Red Bull contests and countless video segments and web edits. Up front, this burly aluminum rig is designed around a 100mm tapered fork and out back, Trek's ABP rear suspension pivots around a stiff 142x12mm through-axle. A Fox Float shock is tuned for jumping, handling big hits, popping off lips and slashing berms with velocity. The geometry is dialed: it busts out 360 tailwhips, supermans and backflips with a tight cockpit, super-short chainstays, a slack head tube and low standover. The Ticket S can't guarantee that you'll win the local jump jam, but we can guarantee that you'll good doing it.
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Trek's original Remedy enhanced the skills of riders everywhere. Trek's OCLV-carbon Remedy 29 is here to smash enduro stages, big backcountry terrain, and your one buddy who thinks he's a downhiller. This 29er features 140mm of rear travel from a Fox Factory RE:aktiv shock to make it climb like an shorter travel bike, yet laugh off big hits and plow through chunder like a Remedy should. The carbon frame sports an E2 head tube and a 142x12mm rear end for point-n-slash precision and quick cornering. From the deep forests of Vancouver, to the red rocks of Sedona, to your favorite trail, this is the Remedy to any obstacle.
$1,299.99 $3,499.99 63% Savings
Trek's Slash Carbon Frame is built to dominate: the mountain, gravity, your limits, the guy with #1 on his number plate. Throw it down the most technical descents, fly back up. And win. This tough, lightweight OCLV carbon frame is designed around 27.5-inch wheels and an enduro-optimized geometry, so you can roll fast, go big, and keep progressing. A RockShox DebonAir shock and Full Floater linkage gives you a coil feel with the weight of air, while the Mino Link adjustable geometry lets you fine tune your ride. Trek's Active Braking Pivot keeps that suspension active when you're on the brakes for smooth, steady control. And, internal routing keeps all those derailleur and dropper post cables out of sight for a clean look.
“Race” isn’t in your vocabulary. Nope, you’re looking for hard-hitting durability and show-stopping trickability. Ticket, reporting for duty. This lightweight aluminum frame takes abuse, session after session and keeps coming back for more. Built for a 100mm dirt jump fork, it's geometry is highly flickable, with short chainstays and a compact cockpit for a tight ride that tricks with ease. Step up your game with the Ticket DJ.
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From dunes to drifts, race to recreation, Trek's Farley lets you tackle anything, any time, for any reason. Fatten up this season. This OCLV carbon frame features a wide 197mm thru-axle that allows for tires up to 5" wide. The full-carbon Haru Pro carbon fork responds immediately to your input and carves with precision. This frameset wholeheartedly embraces versatility, too. It can accommodate a 26 x 5-inch set-up as well as 27.5 x 4-inch wheels, so you can dial your ride for your style of riding.
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In mountain biking's heyday, Procaliber was the envy of all other race bikes. Now it's back to rule the XC circuit once again, redefining the term “hardtail” and setting the bar for speed and smarts. Procaliber's IsoSpeed decoupler delivers uncompromising cross country performance, efficiency, and an incredible ride feel. It's the fastest, smoothest, smartest hardtail on the trail. Key Features - Smooth IsoSpeed decoupler: ride faster, stronger, longer - Boost148/110: stronger wheels, more tire clearance, shorter stays - SL frame saves 250 grams and has Control Freak internal routing - Ride the fastest wheel that fits with Smart Wheel Size
Going down? World Cup champion Session is built to win. An all-new OCLV Carbon frame, updated geometry, advanced air shock, and a stiffer chassis make this downhill race bike faster than ever. Session is the DH bike that excels on downhill's most brutal courses. Take on any terrain with our most advanced suspension and a geometry that can be dialed for every race. Key features: - Longer, more aggressive geometry keeps you attacking the whole way down - OCLV Mountain Carbon with Carbon Armor is downhill tough - Fine-tune your ride with Mino Link and an all-new adjustable headset system - Fast 27.5" wheels get you down the mountain first
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World Cup champion Session is built to win. An all-new OCLV Carbon frame, updated geometry, advanced air shock, and a stiffer chassis make this downhill race bike faster than ever. Session is the DH bike that excels on downhill's most brutal courses. Take on any terrain with our most advanced suspension and a geometry that can be dialed for every race. Key features - Ultimate DH race bike with fast-rolling hard-charging 29" wheels and World Cup capability - Longer, more aggressive geometry keeps you attacking the whole way down - OCLV Mountain Carbon with Carbon Armor is downhill tough - Fine-tune your ride with Mino Link and an all-new adjustable headset system
$2,399.99 $2,999.99 20% Savings
Bring on bigger Remedy is the mountain biker's mountain bike. 27.5-inch wheels, an aggressive geometry, and a wealth of technical features make a bike that scores tens for capability. Want to push harder? Want more travel? Need a more capable build? Remedy is your full suspension ride to the next level. - Revolutionary new RE:aktiv with Thru Shaft damper: the most responsive shock available - Stout 150mm frame optimized for enduro and technical trails - Boost148/110: stronger wheels, more tire clearance, shorter stays - Straight Shot stiffness, Knock Block frame defense
$2,999.99 $3,699.99 19% Savings
Enduro weapon Slash is designed from the ground up to conquer the gnarliest enduros, in a 29"-optimized package that makes this mountain bike the undisputed king of the trail. Throw down on technical descents and fly back up the mountain. Slash dominates the most demanding trails, with 29" wheels on an aggressive, ultra-capable, lightweight carbon frame. - Revolutionary new RE:aktiv with Thru Shaft damper: the most responsive shock available - 150/160mm travel + 29er speed + low & long geo = enduro weapon - Boost148/110: stronger wheels, more tire clearance, shorter stays - Straight Shot stiffness, Knock Block frame defense
Full of fast, built to last. Caution: X-Caliber will get you hooked. It packs all of Trek’s XC race hardtail experience into a light, fast bike that pairs the right wheel size with each frame size. Nothing beats the efficiency, simplicity, and straight-up fun of an X-Cal hardtail in 29er or 27.5". Great for XC racing, or simply shredding singletrack. - All-new lightweight Alpha Gold Aluminum frame delivers a phenomenal ride quality - Shorter chainstays and Boost141 hub spacing for increased agility and clearance for wider tires - Updated geometry and E2 tapered head tube for more confident handling - Sleek internal routing protects cables and accommodates dropper post upgrades
The smarter hardtail Procaliber sets the bar for hardtail speed and smarts. It's the fast, ultralight cross country ride that rules the singletrack, from the local race scene to the World Cup XC. Procaliber's innovative IsoSpeed decoupler delivers uncompromising XC performance, efficiency, and an incredible ride feel. It's the fastest, smoothest, smartest hardtail on the trail. - Smooth IsoSpeed decoupler: ride faster, stronger, longer - Boost148/110: stronger wheels, more tire clearance, shorter stays - Superlight hydroformed aluminum frame is built for speed - Ride the fastest wheel that fits with Smart Wheel Size - 15-inch frame: 27.5-inch wheels - 17.5—23-inch frame: 29-inch wheels
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Freedom to roam Modern trail geometry, 29? or 27.5? mid-fat options, and 130mm of travel make Fuel EX is the one go-to full suspension trail bike for all riders. Want a rugged, capable long-travel trail bike with the responsiveness of an XC bike? This is it. Fuel EX blends the best of both worlds in one uncompromising package. - Capable and stiff 130mm frame is 29" and 27.5+ compatible - Boost148/110: stronger wheels, more tire clearance, shorter stays - Exclusive suspension tech with ABP, Full Floater, and RE:aktiv - Straight Shot stiffness, Knock Block frame defense
It's right for you if... You're looking for a light, strong, alloy fat bike frame with a trail-optimized geometry for stability and responsiveness on any trail in any season. The tech you get A lightweight Alpha Platinum Aluminum frame with adjustable Stranglehold dropouts, suspension-corrected OCLV Carbon Bontrager Haru fork, and FSA headset. Rear thru axle dropout is 197mm, fork thru axle dropout is 15x150mm. The final word High-value fun in any season. Farley AL is fast, fun, and capable, and you're getting a great jumpstart on your build with an included Bontrager carbon fork. Why you'll love it 1 - If you were under the impression that fat bikes were sluggish, this bike will change your mind 2 - It's a four-season freedom machine that lets you ride outside all year long 3 - You can run your choice of wheels with 26x5.0 or 27.5x4.0 tires
Stache AL Frameset is built with our lightweight and trail-tough Alpha Platinum Aluminum. The trail hardtail frameset is designed for fun-loving 29+ tires, with massive tire clearance, an elevated midstay, and Stranglehold Dropouts that make it easy to fine-tune your geometry or turn it into a singlespeed mountain bike. It's right for you if... Your attitude is that mountain biking should be, above all else, a ridiculous amount of fun. You want a base for your build that matches your fun-loving approach to the trail, with the versatility to run a full drivetrain or a singlespeed setup. The tech you get A trail-tough Alpha Platinum Aluminum frameset with super-short chainstays that give you the ability to pop off jumps and toss the bike around corners. Stache AL Frameset includes Stranglehold Dropouts so you can fine-tune your geometry or run singlespeed. It has internal derailleur and dropper post routing, includes a headset, and is designed for disc brakes and Boost148 29+ wheels. The final word Stache AL Frameset is the first step to more fun on the trail. The short chainstays deliver a lively ride and quick acceleration. Build it up with 29+ mid-fat tires for relentless traction. Why you'll love it 1 - Stache is super versatile and equally at home on multi-day bikepacking trips as it is on rough singletrack 2 - The super-short chainstays make it really easy to show off your wheelie skills 3 - We're not the only ones who love it: DirtRag says, "[Stache] is the most fun bike I rode this year, and fun is where it's at."
Key features - Smooth IsoSpeed decoupler: ride faster, stronger, longer - Boost148/110: stronger wheels, more tire clearance, shorter stays - OCLV Mountain Carbon frame is fast, light, and trail tough - Ride the fastest wheel that fits with Smart Wheel Size
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Living legend The bike that ruled the podium at the height of mountain bike racing is back to reclaim the top step. Refined and reinvigorated with new technology, Top Fuel is the fastest bike on the trail. The better-than-ever Top Fuel is the fast, versatile choice for the cross country racer, marathon rider, and the entire Trek Factory Racing World Cup team. Key features - RE:aktiv XC: the smartest, fastest, most efficient shock ever - Boost148/110: stronger wheels, more tire clearance, shorter stays - Mino Link adjustable geometry lets you fine-tune your ride - Exclusive suspension tech with ABP and Full Floater
Full Stache is a full suspension 29+ trail bike with an oversized appetite for rugged backcountry riding and trail explorations into the unknown wild. Build it up the way you want! We're giving you a head start with the Fox Float rear shock, a Bontrager 35mm stem, and a headset with Knock Block frame defense. Build it up exactly the way you want, for exactly your kind of adventure, but be sure to follow these requirements: minimum tire width: 29x2.6", recommended axle-to-race: 550mm (560mm/140mm travel max), maximum chainring size: 34 teeth.
For fast XC riders and cross country mountain bike racers who want to cover a lot of ground fast, there's no better hardtail frameset than Procaliber SL. It's built with Super Light OCLV Mountain Carbon and delivers the unique trail-smoothing advantage of IsoSpeed, which takes the edge off fatiguing bumps in the trail so you can stay stronger longer. It's right for you if... You want to fly up climbs, rail the corners, charge through technical sections of trail, and win every sprint to the line. You have a dream XC build in mind, and you want to start with the lightest carbon hardtail frame we offer. The tech you get A superlight SL OCLV Carbon frame with Control Freak internal cable routing and trail-smoothing IsoSpeed. The Procaliber SL Frameset includes a headset, and is designed for post mount disc brakes, a PF92 bottom bracket, and Boost148 wheels. The final word Smoother. Lighter. Faster. This bike was built to win the XC game. Its ultra-lightweight SL OCLV Carbon frame with IsoSpeed delivers serious performance fit for a serious rider. Why you'll love it 1 - The SL OCLV Carbon frameset is the ideal start to an obscenely lightweight cross country build 2 - IsoSpeed is a real advantage, and you can't find it in any other hardtail family 3 - Control Freak Cable Management allows you to run any combination of cables exactly the way you want, while still giving you sleek looks and protecting your cables against unnecessary wear
Remedy AL is a burly trail frameset built for rough trails, big hits, and wild all-mountain rides. It's built for 27.5? wheels and features the best mountain bike frame tech, like Straight Shot downtube and Knock Block. Plus, it has 150mm of rear travel with a RockShox Deluxe RT3 shock and loads of clearance for wide tires. It's right for you if... You're building up a custom trail bike to for true trail riding. You're cool with trying new lines, getting a little wild, and leaving the ground. You're looking for a ride you can throw around and keep in control, even when the trail gets rowdy. The tech you get A durable and lightweight Alpha Platinum Aluminum frame with a Straight Shot downtube and Knock Block integrated frame protection, 150mm of rear travel with a RockShox Deluxe RT3 shock, Bontrager Rhythm Comp stem, and integrated Knock Block headset. Built for 27.5? wheels. The final word A trustworthy trail frame that's easy to handle in the rough, and fully capable of ripping down big all-mountain trails. A quality shock, 150mm of travel, and a host of exclusive frame tech give you a head start on your dream trail bike build. Why you'll love it - Ultra-capable frame and shock for confidence on rough trails - RE:aktiv keeps the shock firm for efficient pedaling and pumping, and instantly soaks up bumps to keep you in control - Wider is more stable: Remedy has clearance for up to 27.5x2.8? tires
Remedy C is a trail-tough carbon mountain bike frameset that's burly enough to endure rough lines and fast descents, and light enough to let you fly up the climbs. This stout trail bike frame has 150mm of travel and a RockShox Deluxe shock with our exclusive Thru Shaft damper, which reacts faster to changes in the trail to keep you in control. It's right for you if... You live for rowdy lines, big hits, and fast descents. You expect your trail bike to be agile enough to flick around tight corners and light enough to rip up the mountain as well as fly down it. You know a great frame and high-quality shock translate to a far better experience on the trail. The tech you get A strong and light OCLV Mountain Carbon frame with Carbon Armor, 150mm of rear travel, a RockShox Deluxe RT3 shock with Trek's exclusive RE:aktiv with Thru Shaft damper, 35mm Bontrager Line Pro stem, and integrated Knock Block headset. Built for 27.5? wheels. The final word You have serious trail rides in your future, and they're going to be fast and fun. With Remedy C, you're getting all the benefits of a trail-tough carbon frame plus a high-quality shock with Trek's exclusive RE:aktiv with Thru Shaft damper, which reacts to changes in the trail faster than any other shock on the market. Why you'll love it - Wait for me, said no Remedy rider ever—This bike has a lot of travel, but it's also extremely quick on the flats and climbs - RE:aktiv with Thru Shaft works faster than a normal shock, so it tracks the ground better and keeps you in control - Wider is more stable: Remedy has clearance for up to 27.5x2.8? tires
Session AL 27.5 frameset is a burly alloy downhill mountain bike frame that's equally at home between the tape and at the DH park. It's built for 27.5-inch wheels, with 210mm of travel and a FOX Performance VAN shock tuned by Trek Suspension Lab. It's right for you if... You're looking to build a rugged DH or park bike for the biggest trails out there, and want a 27.5-inch optimized frameset with exclusive trail tech, like adjustable Mino Link geometry, that can't be found anywhere else. The tech you get A burly Alpha Platinum Aluminum frame, an adjustable FOX Performance shock with 210mm of travel, integrated frame protection, FSA Orbit headset, and exclusive trail tech like ABP, Full Floater, and Mino Link. Built for 27.5-inch wheels. The final word This burly frameset is perfectly capable of taking on the roughest, fastest descents you can find, and it's equally at home in the park, too. The best DH frame tech, a stable geometry, and a quality shock give you a head start on your dream downhill rig. Why you'll love it 1 - Session has the heart of a monster truck: it rolls over everything, gives you the confidence to take on rougher trails, and saves you when you don't take the right line 2 - Quality FOX Performance suspension and our ABP frame design keep you in control 3 - Race or get rowdy? This bike does both 4 - 27.5 wheels are great for flicking the bike around through the most technical trail
While the rest of the industry was mucking about with 29-inch DH bike prototypes for professional mountain bike racers, Trek brought the party to the people with their first production 29er downhill bike. Session 29 Carbon Frameset pairs fast-rolling 29er performance and Trek's proven downhill frame technology. It's long, stable, and aggressive, with a geometry dialed for your fastest runs ever. It's right for you if... You need speed. You live for it. You dream about it. And when you're on the mountain, you're gonna get after it. You want faster-rolling 29-inch wheels, a carbon frame, and the latest DH tech out there. The tech you get Session 29 is built with an ultralight and ultra-durable OCLV Mountain Carbon, 190mm rear travel with a FOX Factory X2 shock, Carbon Armor, and integrated frame protection like built-in bumpers for a double-crown fork. Plus, it has frame tech that lets you dial your geometry, like Mino Link and the included fixed-angle headset cups. The final word This is the fastest downhill bike Trek makes. This 29er-optimized carbon ride is great for rolling over the rough stuff and getting to the finish line with plenty of time to spare. Why you'll love it 1 - Trek put a whole lot into this bike, including nearly a decade of research and development by engineers and designers who wanted to break the mold of DH capability and speed—and they succeeded 2 - Session 29 is taking downhill to a new place, and it's leading the charge on the World Cup circuit among the very first 29er DH bikes 3 - The fastest runs demand the most dialed setup: the air shock and fork on Session 9.9 are adjustable and easy to fine-tune for different tracks 4 - Mino Link and fixed-angle headset cups let you adjust your geometry for the exact handling you want
Slash AL frameset is the perfect platform for a fast 29er enduro or trail bike build. With a burly Alpha Aluminum frame, Trek's exclusive RE:aktiv with Thru Shaft shock, and a Knock Block integrated headset, you have all the bones for a mountain bike that can handle everything from the biggest all-mountain descents to the most competitive enduro races. It's right for you if... You want a high-value head start on your enduro build and the kind of trail tech that comes only from a long heritage of all-mountain riding. You like to go fast, go big, and rail corners, and you're looking for a big bike that will stand up to whatever wild trails you can find. The tech you get A burly Alpha Aluminum frame, a shock with Trek's exclusive RE:aktiv with Thru Shaft damper, and an integrated Knock Block headset that stops spinning bars and the fork crown from hitting your frame. Built for 29er wheels and a 150mm or 160mm fork. The final word With Slash AL frameset, you're getting a whole lot of capability for your money and a great start on a bike that can handle the burliest trails out there. Whether you're racing or looking to get sendy, this burly frameset will stand up to whatever you throw at it. Why you'll love it 1 - RE:aktiv works faster than a normal shock, so it tracks the ground better and keeps you in control 2 - It's equally at home between the tape and in the rugged wild—Yes, Slash is a race bike, but it's ridiculously fun on gnarly trail rides, too 3 - We're not the only ones who love it: Slash was awarded Mountain Bike of the Year by Pinkbike
If you're looking for a jump on a 29er enduro mountain bike that's built for ridiculous speed, you won't do better than Slash C frameset. Trail-tough OCLV Mountain Carbon tubes, Trek's exclusive RE:aktiv with Thru Shaft shock, and a Knock Block integrated headset make it the ideal enduro frame for fast rides on gnarly trails. It's right for you if... You're a big-mountain rider with your eyes on the Enduro World Series, so you're looking for every performance advantage you can get in a frameset. You ride sketchy descents at scary speed, and you want a bike that can keep up with your all-mountain aspirations. The tech you get A trail-tough OCLV Mountain Carbon frame, a shock with Trek's exclusive RE:aktiv with Thru Shaft damper, and an integrated Knock Block headset that stops spinning bars and the fork crown from hitting your frame. Built for 29er wheels and a 150mm or 160mm fork. The final word This is the same frameset raced by the pros of Trek Factory Racing Enduro. It's tough, fast, responsive, and fully capable of taking on the wildest enduro courses in the world. Why you'll love it 1 - RE:aktiv with Thru Shaft works faster than a normal shock, so it tracks the ground better and keeps you in control 2 - It's equally at home between the tape and in the rugged wild—Yes, Slash is a race bike, but it's ridiculously fun on gnarly trail rides, too 3 - We're not the only ones who love it: Slash was awarded Mountain Bike of the Year by Pinkbike
Top Fuel AL is an aluminum full suspension cross country frameset that makes a perfect starting point for your XC race rig or fast singletrack mountain bike. Lightweight Alpha Aluminum tubes, a FOX shock, and race-ready design make Top Fuel a smart choice for anyone looking for a dependable full suspension ride that's both quick and comfortable when the trail gets rough. It's right for you if... You're seeking a faster, more efficient way to fly across singletrack, or you're looking to upgrade to a high-value full suspension XC bike that will soak up fatiguing bumps on the trail so you can stay stronger longer. The tech you get A lightweight Alpha Platinum Aluminum frame with 100mm of travel and Mino Link adjustable geometry, a FOX shock with a remote lockout, and an included headset give you a solid jump on building up your fast cross country mountain bike. The final word Want to surprise your ride partners by taking it out fast and staying out front? Top Fuel AL frameset delivers a ridiculous amount of speed and efficiency on singletrack, and it's a high-value way to up your game in XC rides and races. Why you'll love it 1 - Alpha Platinum Aluminum is lightweight and trail-tough 2 - More than fast, it's also capable: build it up the right way and this race-ready frameset can double as your light trail bike on more rugged terrain 3 - Internal cable routing opens the door for upgrades like a dropper post
Top Fuel C is a carbon full suspension cross country frameset built for speed and efficiency on fast singletrack rides and XC courses. A lightweight OCLV Mountain Carbon main frame and stays, and 100mm of FOX Factory rear suspension make this carbon XC frameset worthy of racing at any level. It's right for you if... Speed on singletrack is what you're after. You know a high-quality carbon frame can make a major difference in race-day performance, so you're looking to build up an XC bike that climbs like a rocket, flies on flats, and is still comfortable when the trail turns rough. The tech you get A trail-tough OCLV Mountain Carbon frame with 100mm of travel, a FOX Factory shock with a remote lockout, and an included headset make for a solid start on the build that may just bring you to your next podium finish. The final word Light on climbs, efficient and comfortable on rough trails, and always fast. Top Fuel C frameset lives to tear through singletrack trails on your fastest XC rides ever. Why you'll love it 1 - You get a full carbon frame that's super light and super stiff for ultimate efficiency 2 - More than fast, it's also capable: build it up the right way and this race-ready frameset can double as your light trail bike on more rugged terrain 3 - Internal cable routing opens the door for upgrades like a dropper post
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